track on this. So how do we present it in a way 
that’s scientifically presentable? It just means 
translating from this language into some other 
language. So then began a process of asking the 
people who came around, “What is scientific about 
statements? How do you make a scientific 
statement?”

At the time, the Centre for Culture and Technology 
was running full blast. This was the institution my 
father ran at the University of Toronto. And all 
sorts of people came through the doors. We had 
everyone from the Beatles to two of the prime 
ministers to Nobel prize winners in the sciences,